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		<title>By: Judge Joe Brown &#8211; Rebel Wheeler -vs- Anita Young Cole &#8211; Caldwell &#8211; Idaho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judge Joe Brown &#8211; Rebel Wheeler -vs- Anita Young Cole &#8211; Caldwell &#8211; Idaho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://nicolesyblog.com/2010/03/03/judge-joe-brown-cheap-wedding-photographers/#comment-2649</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although the quality of the photographs may not have been great (though, it&#039;s impossible to tell from the clip), the real dispute should have been about what the quality level was compared to the quality of the photos that the bride saw in their portfolio prior to hiring them.  If the bride saw mediocre photos in the portfolio, she should expect to get mediocre photos.  If she saw great photos (which I think she mentioned), but got mediocre photos of her wedding, then I think that should be what they should have delved into.  Was there some level of deception involved on the part of the photographer?  Was the bride trying to make up for not doing her due diligence in researching the photographer&#039;s work?  I don&#039;t know.  Questioning the photographer about how fast her lens is or what camera she used is beside the point and is really only used for entertainment value.  I guess, in the end, the lesson to wedding photographers (especially  lousy ones) is to make sure to properly set expectations before you step foot in the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the quality of the photographs may not have been great (though, it&#8217;s impossible to tell from the clip), the real dispute should have been about what the quality level was compared to the quality of the photos that the bride saw in their portfolio prior to hiring them.  If the bride saw mediocre photos in the portfolio, she should expect to get mediocre photos.  If she saw great photos (which I think she mentioned), but got mediocre photos of her wedding, then I think that should be what they should have delved into.  Was there some level of deception involved on the part of the photographer?  Was the bride trying to make up for not doing her due diligence in researching the photographer&#8217;s work?  I don&#8217;t know.  Questioning the photographer about how fast her lens is or what camera she used is beside the point and is really only used for entertainment value.  I guess, in the end, the lesson to wedding photographers (especially  lousy ones) is to make sure to properly set expectations before you step foot in the church.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob - did you also charge $1000 or less for the shoot with this equipment?

Most important of all of this is, did you expect the client to compare (subconsciously or consciously) the resulting photos with the samples you showed them before the shoot? Would you have thought it unreasonable for the client to expect his/her pictures to be far superior to those samples?

I would wholeheartedly agree better pics would have been made with better equipment and a tripod. Of course, Jose Villa, Cliff Mautner or Ben Chrisman would have made better pictures than the defendant using the exact same equipment that they did. So again, it is not the equipment or lack thereof that should be the focus here. 

Do we really want to send the message that if one wants to be a professional, they must get the top of the line camera and likely upgrade every year or two (oh, it may be that a DSLR is not good enough, you need a medium format Hasselblad, or is a large format necessary? It could be only film will render the necessary quality, right now I would think it very unclear) and the fastest lenses available no matter the price is an absolute necessity. To do otherwise would seem to mean that, no matter how good or bad your photos, you will not be a professional and every client can instantly demand a refund. Further, you better understand that your sample book/portfolio is meaningless - the client is totally correct in thinking the resulting photos will meet any standard they so choose and they do not even have to share that standard with you beforehand.

I never would have guessed this was what we should expect as professional photographers. No wonder so many wedding photographers look so haggard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob &#8211; did you also charge $1000 or less for the shoot with this equipment?</p>
<p>Most important of all of this is, did you expect the client to compare (subconsciously or consciously) the resulting photos with the samples you showed them before the shoot? Would you have thought it unreasonable for the client to expect his/her pictures to be far superior to those samples?</p>
<p>I would wholeheartedly agree better pics would have been made with better equipment and a tripod. Of course, Jose Villa, Cliff Mautner or Ben Chrisman would have made better pictures than the defendant using the exact same equipment that they did. So again, it is not the equipment or lack thereof that should be the focus here. </p>
<p>Do we really want to send the message that if one wants to be a professional, they must get the top of the line camera and likely upgrade every year or two (oh, it may be that a DSLR is not good enough, you need a medium format Hasselblad, or is a large format necessary? It could be only film will render the necessary quality, right now I would think it very unclear) and the fastest lenses available no matter the price is an absolute necessity. To do otherwise would seem to mean that, no matter how good or bad your photos, you will not be a professional and every client can instantly demand a refund. Further, you better understand that your sample book/portfolio is meaningless &#8211; the client is totally correct in thinking the resulting photos will meet any standard they so choose and they do not even have to share that standard with you beforehand.</p>
<p>I never would have guessed this was what we should expect as professional photographers. No wonder so many wedding photographers look so haggard.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Slater</title>
		<link>http://nicolesyblog.com/2010/03/03/judge-joe-brown-cheap-wedding-photographers/#comment-2558</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 04:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I saw this video. We both had mixed reactions. 

My reaction was these photographers were really not professionals. I personally would probably taken a loss before going on national television. That stunt had to hurt their business. 

The photographers should have know their equipment a lot better along with their limitations. The limitations should have probably put into the contract as well. That way both parties are getting what they agreed upon. It would have given the bride a chance to try to pick another photographer. I would have to say I always test new gear and figure out limitations before I am on location. Not doing that brings to much risk and liability.

I have been both situations during the wedding ceremony. Some priest do not like flash during the ceremony, and some do. It really depends on the situation. They should have used a tripod at least for a couple of them. I do not really  believe the bride about the priest telling the guest not using flash because it would ruin the professional pictures. That statement was really hard to swallow.

My wife&#039;s reaction was totally different. Her view point was any bride could get the pictures and say they were not happy with the quality. That concerns me as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I saw this video. We both had mixed reactions. </p>
<p>My reaction was these photographers were really not professionals. I personally would probably taken a loss before going on national television. That stunt had to hurt their business. </p>
<p>The photographers should have know their equipment a lot better along with their limitations. The limitations should have probably put into the contract as well. That way both parties are getting what they agreed upon. It would have given the bride a chance to try to pick another photographer. I would have to say I always test new gear and figure out limitations before I am on location. Not doing that brings to much risk and liability.</p>
<p>I have been both situations during the wedding ceremony. Some priest do not like flash during the ceremony, and some do. It really depends on the situation. They should have used a tripod at least for a couple of them. I do not really  believe the bride about the priest telling the guest not using flash because it would ruin the professional pictures. That statement was really hard to swallow.</p>
<p>My wife&#8217;s reaction was totally different. Her view point was any bride could get the pictures and say they were not happy with the quality. That concerns me as well.</p>
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		<title>By: ROB</title>
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		<dc:creator>ROB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;(2) you have to know all terminology and gear specs off the top of your head and (3) have to assume all of your photos will need to be enlarged – a lot.&quot;

Last weekend I shot a wedding with my highly professional assistant and both of us would know exactly which body and lens was used for each image and could probably pick the f-stop for each image too.

And we certainly shoot expecting each one to be the winner the bride want enlarged - a lot.

Incidentally our kit was 4x Canon 5D (5Dmk11), 2x 70-200mm F2.8, 17-40mm F4, 85mm F1.8, 50mm F1.8 and a 24-105 F4. As well as Canon 580ex11 strobes. And yup a tripod was used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(2) you have to know all terminology and gear specs off the top of your head and (3) have to assume all of your photos will need to be enlarged – a lot.&#8221;</p>
<p>Last weekend I shot a wedding with my highly professional assistant and both of us would know exactly which body and lens was used for each image and could probably pick the f-stop for each image too.</p>
<p>And we certainly shoot expecting each one to be the winner the bride want enlarged &#8211; a lot.</p>
<p>Incidentally our kit was 4x Canon 5D (5Dmk11), 2x 70-200mm F2.8, 17-40mm F4, 85mm F1.8, 50mm F1.8 and a 24-105 F4. As well as Canon 580ex11 strobes. And yup a tripod was used.</p>
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